I am what i woukd consider a casual Guardian. I am only light level 25 and havent come even close to raiding. I love this game. I love doing strikes, pugging as i dont have alot of friends. So twice last night and once today i have tried to do Vanguard Roc strike list. All three times i got people who seemed to have just started playing. Im not the greatest player, but i like to think im compitent. I dont stand still while the boss kills me for the 6th time in a row. I dont wander around when i can easily see where the other two members went. And i try to make an effort to revive fallen comrades when i can get to them without dying myself. Until last night i only ever had one bad experience. It was only frustrating because the other fireteam members ran ahead so fast i got turned around on a strike i have never done before. I jusg dont get how some people cant figure out, hey i keep getting killed when i just stand there, ill just keep doing that. I dont know, just felt like venting. Still love this game and maybe it was just my time to play with the crazies. Lol oh well