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Oh, I can definitely answer your question. yes, it was DPS test based off of max payload against bosses. The part I disagree with you is actually using a rocket launcher for mobs, as it is impractical concerning other weapon options. LMG's to be specific, not only do they have a wider range of fire being that they have the versatility of being a machine gun, the ammo capacity with the right ones allow you to clear more mobs than any rocket launcher can. *there are many variables to take into account such as clusters of enemies as well, which arguably rocket launchers can dispense of faster depending on movement. Concerning LMGs you have to have the right one. Field Scout may be looked down upon in Machine guns because of the raid heavy ammo boots, but field scout being the broken perk that it is increases both ammo reserves and the magazine size, that is it's main power point. Because with a Deviant Gravity A, Jolder's Hammer, The Swarm and Against All odds these effectively increase the weapons ammo by nearly 3x in most cases. Meaning that these weapons are the absolute best heavy weapon for clearing out Mobs, and they aren't even exotic. Plus, as a side note these weapons have more sustained DPS (more damage overall) than even Gjallarhorn which is most effective at burst DPS (most damage at a short time). But field scout is not all you need to make an effective LMG, these weapons also suffer from a range penalty, but this is hardly an issue in most cases. Sadly, Thunderlord does not fit among the other because even though it has the most potential Burst DPS of any LMG, it suffers a massive stability penalty. Thunderlord was an attempt at a Burst DPS LMG So when you say that Gjallarhorn is superior at killing bosses, that is pretty much the final word in the matter as that is solely the rocket launcher's purpose is to deal the most damage in the shortest amount of time. Pretty much all Rocket Launchers are effective in this means and was there purpose when created and used for. Now, you can also make the point that Titans, which have the unique item ability of acquiring more heavy ammo drops via Ruin Wings, this would put Rocket Launcehrs at the top of their game, the best at Burst and Sustained DPS. This would be correct, but Ruin wings also works with LMG's, and with the right perks a single heavy ammo drop will fill up an entire reserve of LMG ammo. Meaning the effect of Ruin WIngs is better utilized for LMGs, making them also the superior choice in taking out mobs than a rocket launcher. [quote]Today I wanted to make a great shot with my gjallarhorn but was leased astray by a single mob stealing my tracker.[/quote] No offense, but this is a user based error. [quote]Gjallarhorn is also lacking in area denial.[/quote] This is true, but zoning is a non issue in this game aside from PvP.
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  • Edited by GenPostes: 2/4/2015 12:30:37 AM
    Interesting that you brought an lmg to a rocket launcher debate. The goal is to differentiate between launchers, not the best way to deal with mobs. Your two large paragraphs were just filler... Your lack of providing useful Intel beyond the dps measurements is also dissatisfying. Defending a launcher based solely on dps is shortsighted. On the other hand you may be right about user error. I definitely brought the wrong launcher to that fight :)

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  • [quote]Your two large paragraphs were just filler[/quote] It was explaining the prowess of LMG's to Rocket Launchers, if you want a rocket launcher to function as a mob killer you aren't using it correctly. If LMG's didn't exist, or if rocket launchers didn't take up the same slot it would be a different story. [quote]Your lack of providing useful Intel beyond the dps measurements is also dissatisfying. Defending a launcher based solely on dps is shortsighted.[/quote] An LMG is more effective at taking out mobs than any rocket launcher, Dragon's Breath is in a state similar to Thunderlord as they are heavy weapons that attempt to fill the other's role but they both fall short. My whole post indicated the weapons roles as well with rocket launcher due to low ammo capacity but high burst DPS makes them very useful for bosses but not so much against mobs, LMG's are used for MOBs but have higher than primary burst DPS but doesn't compare to the DPS of most rocket launchers. What point are you personally trying to make here, are you saying Dragon's Breath can function better than the LMG's I stated at mob clearing? Are you stating it is a good rocket launcher for boss dps? What is your point here...

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  • I was correcting you. You stated that the original poster was wrong when he stated that DB was better than Gjallarhorn in many cases. You disagreed but your only counterpoint was dps difference. You also brought up lmg again so I can see why your confused. Just stick to your launchers next time ;p

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  • Because rockets are built for a specific role, that is boss DPS. That is the ONLY reason you use a rocket launcher. If you use a rocket launcher for anything other than Boss DPS you are not using the weapon correctly as LMG's fill up the same slot and do it better. Saying Dragon's Breath a Rocket Launcher is good for Mob killing puts it in direct competition with other weapons that fill that same role, LMGs. Which if fails miserably compared to them.

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  • Lol

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  • Nice counterargument.

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  • Your not arguing. No response needed.

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  • You are completely right, I was stating absolute facts.

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  • Facts are relative. It also feels good when you tell me I'm right.

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  • In response to you saying I wasn't arguing, which I wasn't I was stating facts. And I was right, you have no counterargument to say that Rocket launchers aren't for Bosses and LMG's are for mobs because, it is the absolute truth. Meaning Dragon's breath is significantly worse than Gjallarhorn in every respect. So there is no counterargument.

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  • This is where it gets interesting. You've already designated these weapons for these purposes. You have set yourself up to fail. I'm curious if you reached this conclusion on your own through trail or from someone on the net and then never tested it yourself. Your truth is lacking. I never once said that my preference was the dragons breath. Only that the launcher should not be judged on dps alone. Lastly, your inability to use the dragons breath effectively is a serious problem. How can you be an effective combatant if you are unable to take advantage of any weapon in your arsenal?

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  • [quote]I never once said that my preference was the dragons breath. Only that the launcher should not be judged on dps alone.[/quote] You are overestimating the complexity of this game, if you are killing mobs you are better off with a Legendary LMG like Deviant Gravity A/Jolder's Hammer etc rather than a launcher, let alone the Dragon's Breath which actually takes an exotic slot as well, so no ice breaker, no red death, no plan C etc. It does much, much less damage than Gjallarhorn. It does marginally more than regular rocket launcher and it has poor velocity. [quote]Lastly, your inability to use the dragons breath effectively is a serious problem. How can you be an effective combatant if you are unable to take advantage of any weapon in your arsenal?[/quote] Serious problem? Lol, check my stats. I checked yours and it looks like I one upped you in raid and strikes for my two mains, my Titan will too once I actually complete raids with him, already one upped you in strikes with my Titan. You are a freaking joke.

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  • Please stats are a scam, any noob can go around getting cheesy completions and kills in corners. It's not even worth my time comparing. It also has nothing to do with use of weapon variety and your ability to be a team player. Your also trying to switch up the topic again. Go play some more destiny and get some experience.

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  • Edited by Saint Genji: 2/9/2015 11:19:30 PM
    [quote]Please stats are a scam, any noob can go around getting cheesy completions and kills in corners. It's not even worth my time comparing.[/quote] One of the dumbest things I have heard someone say, it appears that you are just falling apart and resorting to more obvious trolling. [quote]Your also trying to switch up the topic again. Go play some more destiny and get some experience.[/quote] welp, that was probably the most pointless post by you yet. Drifting farther and farther away from the topic at hand, either make another claim that I can blow out of the water again or stop responding. Feel free to troll post, I will respond time and time again, this is a war of endurance and I will always win. While I wait I have some Heroes of the Storm to play on max settings. Here is some music for you to enjoy in the meantime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxopViU98Xo

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