Borderlands = better PvE Division = will probably be better PvE Final Fantasy 14 = better MMO aspects Hence Destiny is dead in the water for me, without a redeeming PvP.... I stopped NF's like almost 2 months ago, the only thing I was doing was raids and they are so glitch and cheesed it defeats the value of it being a challenge...or interesting.... the game needed to launch with a half dozen raids at least (look at FF14 or any MMO).... I'm sorry but until they have private matches then anything considered organised is mute as you cannot choose opposition, so often you'll be playing against trash....where is the fun in that... Lol KDR.....I think you confuse scrub tactics with being able to play FPS games....scrub tactics are camping away from objectives, corner camping etc....check my weapon usage, I'm mostly mobile....the std of skill in this game is bad....a 1 KDR player is below average in other games... Most players rely on FR's to even break 1.5 KDR which is just embarrassing....I'd love to see a mode with no supers, no heavies, no specials...no radar....NO AIM ASSIST then you'd see skill.... The other modes are boring....I prefer objective based FPS games, hence Salvage is my favourite mode, but the fkers keep taking it away, that is a better example of skill as you have to be mobile....