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1/7/2014 2:39:12 AM
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Trust me, I'm a cop. Now go drug that person/kidnap that baby...

I'm sure most of you will know about [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment]Stanley Milgram's[/url] Experiment, and how people will obey authority figures to the point of killing another human being. [quote] Please continue. The experiment requires that you continue. It is absolutely essential that you continue. You have no other choice, you must go on. If the subject still wished to stop after all four successive verbal prods, the experiment was halted. Otherwise, it was halted after the subject had given the maximum 450-volt shock three times in succession.[/quote] Well after seeing someone post a WWYD video on here, I've spent the last few hours watching them (Yes I have no life) and whilst there are plenty of holes to pick with them such as sample size/cherry picking etc I don't want to focus on that too much. What I do want to look at is this video. 8 Minutes long and just as disturbing as the Milgram Experiment, the guy claims to be a bounty hunter and flashes some official looking badge and then three people do the following; -Steal the woman's purse -Spike her drink with a sedative (Fake tablet of course) -[u]Kidnap the freaking baby.[/u] The only guy who says 'hold on a minute there' (Out of all 22 people who were tested with it) refused to steal the baby, but agreed to block the 'mother' from rescuing the infant from the Bounty Hunter. Now, this doesn't mean 'All Cops are evil' or any other contrived bollocks that you might care to tear out of this to further your own political beliefs/agenda... Not mentioning any names.......... <.< However, it does mean that there are people out there who will commit all sorts of crimes if they are told to by a man with a badge. I just wanted to bring this up for everyone to have a look at to maybe induce some healthy scepticism incase someone does come across this sort of scenario. If an authority figure tells you to do something, but it is clearly and objectively wrong/illegal to do so try to think twice before agreeing. It doesn't mean 'question all authority!' it means keep your wits about you for situations like this. Anyways, just a five minute thread I threw together after something piqued my interest.

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  • I doubt they could get me to do things. I don't like listening to authority figures like that anyway. Plus it's just wrong, and I don't have enough info on the man to determine if he was truly an authority figure. I'm cynical, and paranoid so I doubt they could get me to do anything.

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  • I'd probably warn the person inside before I with help the "recovery officer" or cop.

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    • They could get me to not do things, like leave abruptly or not talk to this person or take that thing. If they asked me to do anything actively, I wouldn't do it. Not really because I think its good or bad, but because I'm lazy. Also, I've thought about that Milgram experiment quite a bit. Its the basis of that "Banality of Evil" concept, and while I rejected it initially, I am now a firm believer in that method of analysis. Moral skepticism/relativism seems to make the most sense.

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      • Edited by PandaJerk007: 1/7/2014 9:26:05 AM
        Dang that's crazy. I'm pretty sure that even in the situations seen in the video, I wouldn't do those things, but still, this is interesting :)

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      • Slightly different take on universal evil but it'll do. I had to copy the whole article in the name of [b]science[/b] :3 [quote]Arguably, there is no more famous experiment in psychology. In 1962, Dr Stanley Milgram took a group of normal people, put them in a laboratory, and ordered them to electrocute someone. Two thirds obeyed — applying, they thought, 450V shocks to an actor who writhed in apparent agony. For a world looking to explain how the Holocaust had happened, how ordinary people could commit unspeakable acts simply because they were ordered to, the Milgram experiment offered an insight. It is an experiment that has found new resonance with each generation — with those looking to understand the My Lai massacre, the Rwanda genocide and Abu Ghraib. There is just one problem. According to an Australian psychologist who has reviewed the original recordings of the test and spoken to some of those involved, it could be that Milgram’s experiment explains nothing at all — except his willingness to manipulate results. “It became clear to me that Milgram had an idea of the kind of results he wanted,” said Gina Perry. “He enacted the experiment to ensure that result”. Ms Perry’s investigations began as an attempt to interview the original subjects of the experiment for a book. However, the more she researched, the more she became concerned that they had been treated unfairly by Milgram — and by history. “It’s a bit heart breaking to listen to the recordings. These people have been so unjustly depicted. They have been portrayed as evil incarnate.” The volunteers were told that they were testing the extent to which punishment aided learning. Split into two groups, one half would be learners — who would have to remember word pairs — the other half teachers, who would electrocute the learner if he or she made a mistake. In fact, the learners were all actors. If the teachers refused to electrocute the learners, an experimenter would prompt them to do so four times before giving up. What is not widely known though is that there were 24 iterations of this experiment, with slightly different setups. In only one — the famous one — did 65 per cent obey. “Overall, over half disobeyed,” said Ms Perry. Even among those who obeyed, the experiment was not as described. On one occasion far from having just four promptings, a subject was ordered 26 times before obeying, Perry recounts in her book Behind the Shock Machine. “The common perception is that they were all slavishly obedient — that they entered a zombie-like state of compliance,” said Ms Perry. “When you listen to the recordings you can hear people bargaining. They’re concerned, they’re worried, they’re distressed. “You can hear them emphasising the right answer, wanting to get the learner to pick up the right answer.” On several occasions, people even offered to swap places with the learner. Then there was the issue of how many actually believed it was real. Candid Camera was the most popular TV show in the US at the time. A lot of people told Ms Perry they expected to see a TV crew afterwards. A lot said they had spotted tell-tale flaws in the experiment. “The whole focus of this experiment is that there’s a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] camp guard inside all of us,” said Ms Perry. “We’ve come to accept it as a statement about humankind.” But, she said, it simply cannot show that. However, other psychologists cautioned that Milgram, who died in 1984, could not be so easily dismissed. “Yes, this undermines certain findings, but this effect has been found in many other experiments,” said Professor Gísli Gudjónsson, from King’s College London. “In those days ethical rules were different. We mustn’t lose sight of the fundamental truth though, that ordinary people — most people — are capable of very cruel things when put in certain circumstances,” he said.[/quote]

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      • I don't find it disgusting I'd probably do the same thing. :( ... Actually maybe I'd tell the police to do it, that's what their job is right? They can't expect me do do their work for them can they? Anyway I didn't watch the vid. I'm really sleepy and it would probably knock me right out.

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        • I better not watch this.

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          • *puts on tinfoil hat* Haha! You can't brainwash me now!

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            • This is why you can't trust the system! Well I'm a free-thinker, and the governments mind control will never work on me!

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              • Edited by A Metroid: 1/7/2014 4:49:44 AM
                This seems to be an intriguing topic possibility for my first psychology class paper.

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                • Edited by faunidae: 1/7/2014 3:55:15 AM
                  We watched a video of the original experiment in psychology class. It was depressing and a little frightening.

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                  • I don't understand how someone would go through with hurting someone else.

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                      Somewhat relevant... [spoiler]This is a bump.[/spoiler]

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                    • Hell, I'd kidnap a baby and poison a lady for a man with a badge and a trench coat.

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