originally posted in:Secrets of Destiny
The Traveler weighs approximately [b]185,333 times more than the Earth.
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I have some questions for you guys at the bottom of the post that relate to my assumptions and calculations, I want input from other passionate lore fans:
[b]Data, assumptions, volume calculations:[/b]
[spoiler]Measuring conservatively by using a ruler on my monitor to compare the traveler and a skyscraper, I got results that said the Traveler is approximately 22 times taller than the tallest tower in the center of The City.
Assuming the towers are similar to current human skyscrapers, I am giving them a height of 1,000 meters.
The traveler is roughly 22,000 meters tall.
I assume the outermost two layers [url=https://guardianrecon.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/traveler-close-up.jpg](the gray and the white plating[/url]) to be in total 1km thick.
Using a radius of 11,000 meters, I calculated the volume of the entire Traveler
V = 5.58×10^12 Cubic Meters
Subtracting the volume of a sphere with a radius of 10km from the volume of the Traveler in order to find the volume of the mantle
5.58×10^12m^3 - 4.19×10^12m^3
= 1.39^12m^3
That’s 1,390,000,000,000m^3
One trillion 390 billion cubic meters. [/spoiler]
[b]The materials listed by the Grimoire:[/b]
[spoiler]“Ghost Fragment: The Traveler
Dreams of Alpha Lupi
You have lived as invisibly as possible, flicking from solar system to solar system, making grand plans, overseeing the culturing of civilizations, before leaving in a blink. But you have no recollection of ever wanting worship or even thanks from those blessed by you.
But memory is heavy now.
It feels like lead and neutronium and electroweak matter fashioned into a moon-sized ball that you must carry as you move.
Now, your flight is rapid, your vast mind infected with such dread and toxic doubt that you find yourself afraid of the simple act of thought.
And it is your children you must turn to now, in time of need.”[/spoiler]
[b]Final calculations:[/b]
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Three materials are listed, Lead, Neutronium, and Electroweak Material. I’m paying close attention to the mention of Neutronium, as it would be the best choice for outer armor plating on the Traveler.
Neutronium is a superdense material thought to be at the center of neutron stars.
It has a density of 8×1017 kg/m^3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star
Multiplying the weight per meter cubed of Neutronium by the volume of the Traveler’s mantle:
8×10^17kg/m^3 * 1.39^12m^3
= 1.112x10^30 kg
The Earth itself only weighs 6x10^24kg.[/spoiler]
To sum up, if the traveler’s outermost 1 kilometer of shell is made from neutronium, then it is [b]roughly 185,333 times more [i]massive* [/i]than the Earth. [/b]
*Thanks to Jarod for helping me realize I was being a bit to casual in my terminology, lol.
[u]Important questions that I have for you guys:[/u]
[b]Are my calculations sound?[/b]
Just looking at the scars on the Traveler and knowing there is and clockwork-style internal structure is how I got my guess of a 1km thickness for the outer plating. [b]Do you guys have any better guesses or ways of figuring out the thickness?[/b] Please do not refer me to the early concept art of the Traveler as the design has changed a great deal since then.
“Electroweak Material” confuses me, I know some chemistry, not much in the way of physics lol. [b]Anyone here know what it might be?[/b] I was thinking some sort of magical graphene or silicon.
EDIT: Had some good comments left by fellow forums goers, apparently I don't need to worry about accounting for this stuff.
If someone who has a big flatscreen TV could get me a measurement of the tallest tower and a measurement of the traveler in centimeters, I would be happy to go back over and refine the calculations, TBH I got them using a ruler on my small-ish PC monitor that I have plugged into my One.
And guys, no one unplug the antigravity…
Special thanks to Charlemagne and Qwerty for fact checking me while I was making rough drafts of this.
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We need more people like you, the people that actually help the community and don't babble about Crucible and Nerfs. Props to you sir.
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fkn nerd
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Just an FYI the tallest building in the world is only 83 meters
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Still not as big as ur mom lol
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Awesome. How long did this take?
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Well done!
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Edited by Alpha74: 7/28/2015 3:42:28 AMWhere does gravitational mass factor into your equation? Or the concept of perspective as you cannot determine the distance of the traveller from where you stand? Interesting calculations just wondering how you accounted for these factors?
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Am i the only one who doesnt actually know what the traveler is? And is it my own fault for not knowing or Bungies fault for no havign a story mode.
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My bet is its mostly hollow.
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Bump.
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Commenting for later comment. Gotta watch a movie.
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Necrobump
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Nice calculations.
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If its not on the ground then does that mean its still alive pushing the earth away from it
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Le shove
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[spoiler]mind blown[/spoiler]
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(Bump)
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Your calculations are correct and the math is sound. I've checked the grimoire and it doesn't mention what specific materials the traveller is made up of. It only states those materials as an example.
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That moment you realize you literally did the equivalent of weighing [spoiler]DEEZ NUTS[/spoiler] and need to go outside
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Edited by Lord Puncake: 4/20/2015 1:23:10 AMAssuming your assumptions and calculations are correct, there would be MASSIVE changes to the Earth from the sudden change in gravity. Since the Traveler's mass greatly exceeds the Earth's, the polarity of gravity would be reversed. The environmental changes would catastrophic, to say the least. Tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes, would all be EXTREMELY common and would be VASTLY more violent than modern ones. From the intertwining gravometric changes that is being given off by the Earth and the Traveler, the Moon would either collide with the Earth and the Traveler, or just be completely ripped apart, which would cause even MORE environmental disasters. It's not just the Earth that would be affected. The Traveler would almost be a new planet, and the entire Solar System would go to ruin. All the planets would inch closer to each other, and the Earth's atmosphere would be thrown out of whack. Jupiter would be much closer, and due to its massive gas density, it would probably heavily distort other planets, at the least. The Sun would probably be the same distance, but all the planets would either be closer or farther away, including Earth. Depending on the planet, it would either heat up like an oven, or freeze into an ice ball. [spoiler]I think it's safe to say that the Traveler caused the Collapse.[/spoiler]
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I bench press the Traveler when I'm on my Titan.
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Edited by SmilyYellowFace: 4/20/2015 12:57:35 AMImpressive. Next time, perhaps you might consider weighing[spoiler]Deez Nuts[/spoiler]
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I've been rummaging around and the answer is Steve.
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People seem to have forgotten that the traveller came from outer space and terraformed planets into being habitable by human but also attracted a host of unstoppable alien races in its wake... But yeah let's question why the mass of the traveler isn't pulling everything to it.
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Well then, I'll be over here in the corner seeing that I have a hard enough time with math, but props to you!!!