originally posted in:Secrets of Destiny
The Traveler weighs approximately [b]185,333 times more than the Earth.
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I have some questions for you guys at the bottom of the post that relate to my assumptions and calculations, I want input from other passionate lore fans:
[b]Data, assumptions, volume calculations:[/b]
[spoiler]Measuring conservatively by using a ruler on my monitor to compare the traveler and a skyscraper, I got results that said the Traveler is approximately 22 times taller than the tallest tower in the center of The City.
Assuming the towers are similar to current human skyscrapers, I am giving them a height of 1,000 meters.
The traveler is roughly 22,000 meters tall.
I assume the outermost two layers [url=https://guardianrecon.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/traveler-close-up.jpg](the gray and the white plating[/url]) to be in total 1km thick.
Using a radius of 11,000 meters, I calculated the volume of the entire Traveler
V = 5.58×10^12 Cubic Meters
Subtracting the volume of a sphere with a radius of 10km from the volume of the Traveler in order to find the volume of the mantle
5.58×10^12m^3 - 4.19×10^12m^3
= 1.39^12m^3
That’s 1,390,000,000,000m^3
One trillion 390 billion cubic meters. [/spoiler]
[b]The materials listed by the Grimoire:[/b]
[spoiler]“Ghost Fragment: The Traveler
Dreams of Alpha Lupi
You have lived as invisibly as possible, flicking from solar system to solar system, making grand plans, overseeing the culturing of civilizations, before leaving in a blink. But you have no recollection of ever wanting worship or even thanks from those blessed by you.
But memory is heavy now.
It feels like lead and neutronium and electroweak matter fashioned into a moon-sized ball that you must carry as you move.
Now, your flight is rapid, your vast mind infected with such dread and toxic doubt that you find yourself afraid of the simple act of thought.
And it is your children you must turn to now, in time of need.”[/spoiler]
[b]Final calculations:[/b]
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Three materials are listed, Lead, Neutronium, and Electroweak Material. I’m paying close attention to the mention of Neutronium, as it would be the best choice for outer armor plating on the Traveler.
Neutronium is a superdense material thought to be at the center of neutron stars.
It has a density of 8×1017 kg/m^3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star
Multiplying the weight per meter cubed of Neutronium by the volume of the Traveler’s mantle:
8×10^17kg/m^3 * 1.39^12m^3
= 1.112x10^30 kg
The Earth itself only weighs 6x10^24kg.[/spoiler]
To sum up, if the traveler’s outermost 1 kilometer of shell is made from neutronium, then it is [b]roughly 185,333 times more [i]massive* [/i]than the Earth. [/b]
*Thanks to Jarod for helping me realize I was being a bit to casual in my terminology, lol.
[u]Important questions that I have for you guys:[/u]
[b]Are my calculations sound?[/b]
Just looking at the scars on the Traveler and knowing there is and clockwork-style internal structure is how I got my guess of a 1km thickness for the outer plating. [b]Do you guys have any better guesses or ways of figuring out the thickness?[/b] Please do not refer me to the early concept art of the Traveler as the design has changed a great deal since then.
“Electroweak Material” confuses me, I know some chemistry, not much in the way of physics lol. [b]Anyone here know what it might be?[/b] I was thinking some sort of magical graphene or silicon.
EDIT: Had some good comments left by fellow forums goers, apparently I don't need to worry about accounting for this stuff.
If someone who has a big flatscreen TV could get me a measurement of the tallest tower and a measurement of the traveler in centimeters, I would be happy to go back over and refine the calculations, TBH I got them using a ruler on my small-ish PC monitor that I have plugged into my One.
And guys, no one unplug the antigravity…
Special thanks to Charlemagne and Qwerty for fact checking me while I was making rough drafts of this.
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First post in thia forums that is not full of poop. As for electroweak, I think it refers to electro magnetic fields and weak interactions, the weak force is the responsible for nuclear fission and I think radioactivity on some particles. Electroweak could be some sort of energy altho it is said that in order to achieve an interaction between electro magnetic fields and weak force it must super hot 10^15K. I haven't read the grimoire. This info comes from external sources.
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If it weighs that much more than earth would wanna orbit the traveler. It would screw up our orbit around the sun and moon would be -blam!-ed too.
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I think you are taking the mention of materials too literal. Being some timeless eternal being it is very unlikely it behaves according to our own conceptions of physics. The grimoire is a metaphor. It used to float around as if it was weightless and now that it is disabled it is as good as if it was made of neutronium. [spoiler]figurative language mah G[/spoiler]
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It's just space magic, bro.
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Really not bad ! I just can't understand how do you know the quantity of each component inside the traveler.
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But what if the Traveler is affect by Earth's gravity differently? Would that mean it would 'weigh' less?
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*Jack Sparrow voice* You've got to get yourself a girl, mate.
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;/()$/:)(??!
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Dude I remember you said this made you look like a nerd but THIS MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A NERD!!!
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Shhh! He's sensitive about his weight!
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Very interesting.
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Psh. Tengen Toppa weighs approximately 500 million times more than our known universe.
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That would mean that its gravity would be so strong it would pull on everything on earth and earth itself toward it with such force that the earth would form a giant circle around the traveler since earth isnt in a locked orbit. Also other celestial bodies would bombard the traveler 24/7 since its gravity combined with earths would atract everything in the immediate vicinity. It would definitely mess with the orbits of all the planets and moons in the solar system too(maybe thats why mars is so close to the moon). But space magic I guess.
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New info the traveler appears to be much smaller than originally thought . At the end of the black garden mission on Mars just after the stranger gives you her rifle, it cuts away to you flying away from Earth and you can see the traveler and it doesn't semester to be even moon sized. Take a look n let me know wat you think.
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wouldn't it create a black hole? Or does the traveler make itself lighter, which is why the speaker talks about the light so much? Was the speaker once obese? Speaker "I was once with the darkness, now I have chosen the light" Citizen "The traveler gave you lipospacesuction magic ya fool" Speaker "Silence!" *The Speaker proceeds to devour the citizen*
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my brain... that shit just got blown
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Now this is a great thread. Hope more come
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Edited by Sapid: 4/2/2015 11:02:07 PMGo outside [spoiler]<3[/spoiler]
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How much does the oversoul weigh? ps: go outside if you can answer my question. <3
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Moar feedback pl0x
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Awesome! +10 internets for you :)
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Why would anyone need to know this
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The Traveler from this moment on shall be known as "Fat Basterd" I HAVE SPOKEN!
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Great post However I agree that the distance the traveler is hovering is crucial to the exact scale I'll see if I can come up with any clues to help
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You're good at brain smarts