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originally posted in:Secrets of Destiny
Edited by Progo: 8/24/2015 8:13:54 PM
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I Weighed the Traveler

The Traveler weighs approximately [b]185,333 times more than the Earth. [/b] I have some questions for you guys at the bottom of the post that relate to my assumptions and calculations, I want input from other passionate lore fans: [b]Data, assumptions, volume calculations:[/b] [spoiler]Measuring conservatively by using a ruler on my monitor to compare the traveler and a skyscraper, I got results that said the Traveler is approximately 22 times taller than the tallest tower in the center of The City. Assuming the towers are similar to current human skyscrapers, I am giving them a height of 1,000 meters. The traveler is roughly 22,000 meters tall. I assume the outermost two layers [url=https://guardianrecon.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/traveler-close-up.jpg](the gray and the white plating[/url]) to be in total 1km thick. Using a radius of 11,000 meters, I calculated the volume of the entire Traveler V = 5.58×10^12 Cubic Meters Subtracting the volume of a sphere with a radius of 10km from the volume of the Traveler in order to find the volume of the mantle 5.58×10^12m^3 - 4.19×10^12m^3 = 1.39^12m^3 That’s 1,390,000,000,000m^3 One trillion 390 billion cubic meters. [/spoiler] [b]The materials listed by the Grimoire:[/b] [spoiler]“Ghost Fragment: The Traveler Dreams of Alpha Lupi You have lived as invisibly as possible, flicking from solar system to solar system, making grand plans, overseeing the culturing of civilizations, before leaving in a blink. But you have no recollection of ever wanting worship or even thanks from those blessed by you. But memory is heavy now. It feels like lead and neutronium and electroweak matter fashioned into a moon-sized ball that you must carry as you move. Now, your flight is rapid, your vast mind infected with such dread and toxic doubt that you find yourself afraid of the simple act of thought. And it is your children you must turn to now, in time of need.”[/spoiler] [b]Final calculations:[/b] [spoiler] Three materials are listed, Lead, Neutronium, and Electroweak Material. I’m paying close attention to the mention of Neutronium, as it would be the best choice for outer armor plating on the Traveler. Neutronium is a superdense material thought to be at the center of neutron stars. It has a density of 8×1017 kg/m^3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star Multiplying the weight per meter cubed of Neutronium by the volume of the Traveler’s mantle: 8×10^17kg/m^3 * 1.39^12m^3 = 1.112x10^30 kg The Earth itself only weighs 6x10^24kg.[/spoiler] To sum up, if the traveler’s outermost 1 kilometer of shell is made from neutronium, then it is [b]roughly 185,333 times more [i]massive* [/i]than the Earth. [/b] *Thanks to Jarod for helping me realize I was being a bit to casual in my terminology, lol. [u]Important questions that I have for you guys:[/u] [b]Are my calculations sound?[/b] Just looking at the scars on the Traveler and knowing there is and clockwork-style internal structure is how I got my guess of a 1km thickness for the outer plating. [b]Do you guys have any better guesses or ways of figuring out the thickness?[/b] Please do not refer me to the early concept art of the Traveler as the design has changed a great deal since then. “Electroweak Material” confuses me, I know some chemistry, not much in the way of physics lol. [b]Anyone here know what it might be?[/b] I was thinking some sort of magical graphene or silicon. EDIT: Had some good comments left by fellow forums goers, apparently I don't need to worry about accounting for this stuff. If someone who has a big flatscreen TV could get me a measurement of the tallest tower and a measurement of the traveler in centimeters, I would be happy to go back over and refine the calculations, TBH I got them using a ruler on my small-ish PC monitor that I have plugged into my One. And guys, no one unplug the antigravity… Special thanks to Charlemagne and Qwerty for fact checking me while I was making rough drafts of this.

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  • Are you sure that that Grimoire card wasn't just using those materials as a source of hyperbole? It sounds like it's just using lead and neutronium (known super-heavy materials) as an exaggerated comparison to the dread the Traveler "feels."

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    • That would make it more than half the weight of the sun condensed into the size of a city. The gravitational pull from the traveller would kill us all and tear the Earth apart.

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      • Nice. xD

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      • My brain is so full of random knowledge mostly related to space, science, History, music, and video games!! One thing though, I really wish I had focused on filing it all properly in my head. Sure I have a high IQ but I often go blank because I can't find where I put the knowledge. I just find myself sifting through all the papers on the floor of my brain room until an hr later or a month finally find the answer I was looking for. Allwell, it's never failed me on the important things before so I'll just deal with drawing a blank on random Discussions.

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      • Physics major for sure.....

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        • I love mathematicians.

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          • Epic. Bump.

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            • so if it weighs that much more than us then are we orbiting around the traveler as the moon orbits around us or would the traveler be pulling the moon too?

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              • Call me cray cray, but you may have to check your calculations again... To make up for the totally impenetrable yet incredibly unstable neutronium, the Traveler has something inside not mentioned in the lore, yet... A small core made of element 117. The magic numbers of neutron and proton in 117 and its properties (still unknown to us at the present time) would create a small island of stability inside the Traveler. Also bismuth, not mentioned in the lore, might be another component of the outer core because of its electrocatalyst properties. It also could explain the faint iridescence on the Traveler's surface which seems sometimes unrelated to the surrounding light. [spoiler]Should you need me to shed more light *HaHaHaHaHaHa* on these hypothesis,, I'll be in the back of the room, drawing evil bunnies.[/spoiler]

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                • Props bro, props. If I were a chick Id suck your dick for figuring that shit out.

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                  • Hmmmm yea ok. I got the same numbers.......... ... .............

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                  • In this consequence, the earth should be revolving around the traveler.

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                  • What just happened...

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                    • My excuse for everything that doesn't make sense in Destiny: Space Magic Clean, Easy excuse to everything in Destiny. Space Magic. Space. Magic.

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                      • And here I thought calculus and physics would be useless in life :P

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                        • Wow do u want to be my accountant?

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                        • I play in 96 inch flat screen tv I think on my tv the traveler measure even bigger so really no telling how much the traveler weighs also I have played on my phone which I only a 5 inch screen. Playing on my phone screen was a bet I lost because I did not think you could hook a ps4 to an iPhone nor a droid but where there is a will folks will find away!

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                        • Tried to see if I could figure out a size, but without a known dimension in game, it's hard to do trig. On a related note, there is some parallax in the back drop. If you run from one side of the atrium of the tower to the other, you can see minute shifts in the sky box. Too small to measure with good enough precision, but indicative of the absurd amounts of attention that was put into Destiny's visuals.

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                          • I think in this case, electroweak may be in reference to Lagrangian mechanics. Kinetic energy versus potential energy, or, offsetting mass via some form of internal energy. Considering the Traveller, well, [i]travels[/i], it might be that its mass is entirely compensated by some form of internal anomaly or mini-"Big Bang" that gives it the ability to move through space without displacing other masses it comes in contact with. Or, space magic. Whatever.

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                            • Shadows are your best comparison for size differences. If you can find something with one of the small house shape buildings below the tower and calculate the average house heights followed by the shadow measurement of the tower or traveller in comparison to that then you have your size. Going by measurements of a skyscraper is probably unwise because they're often far different from One another. And who knows of that was one of the ones trying to be the tallest on earth. I'd go by a house down below since those generally don't vary much on average in height. For the width of the outer shell wasn't it damaged and broken? Shouldn't you be able to use your height calculations and apply them to the shells width via the giant chunk removed exposing the innards of the traveller? You ought to be able to calculate the inside density but if it really weighs that much it probably has a super dense core like all planets, stars, moons, comets, asteroids, and other body's of space so if try and configure that as well. Also there may be antimatter involvement or antigravity as it manages to get hovering just above earths surface without crashing into us as gravity would like. Just to travel and not throw off other body's orbits or crash Into anything presents some questions and problems that would need working around.

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                            • At 0:39 Ahhhhh! I have math Dyslexia, in spite of loving Astronomy and Physics, takes me a hundred times more effort than the average person to try and understand anything with numbers, but eventually, I get it. Putting your post on hold until I have a few hours free of worries to study it. [spoiler]My worse nightmare when building computers... volts, rails, clocks, speeds, overclocking, scales, numbers everywhere! but it all works out in the end. While trying to spell out an email or code or password, I'm often heard saying "the letter 7 and the number C..." Yeah, I should stick with finger painting...[/spoiler]

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                            • It weighs exactly... one traveler.

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                              • The traveler weighs approximately 1.8 million Elephants. I did all my calculations in Elephants so you'll probably want to convert that to bananas because, well, bananas are a more standard unit of measurement.

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                              • Embarrassing

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                              • TL;DR dece effort tho

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                              • The fact that it is that much denser and heavier than our earth, and hasn't destroyed ripped apart our solar system is amazing. Something that dense and grand should have a plethora of gravity associated to it.

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