Nope on both raids. My second run through VoG, the team cheesed Templar, and I had no idea what they were doing. As we just sat there pushing, they explained. Eventually I called them out on it. "This is taking forever. It's not that hard, and takes just as much time. This is boring." After hearing about the bridge cheeses, I made it very clear going on that I wanted my first run to be legit.