im not saying they are perfect, but you are an idiot if you dont know: loot cave newtering is a direct effect of player feedback: people kept on bothering others' farming it, clogging up their reports from people who could not share the loot cave, or who tried to stop others from loot caving, etc. (they even included a little easter egg for us.) remember the heavy ammo glitch? no, the bad one. remember the old exotic ascension? HoW's was streamlined because of TDBs poor handling of that affair. speaking of TDB flops, remember how HoW had none of those? in fact, HoW didnt repeat TDBs mistakes so much, we got Etheric light out of it! is that enough examples for you sheep?