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11/4/2015 4:58:28 AM
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There is high damage falloff, no sway because only a headshot is a 1 shot kill, res overshield isn't only for sniping, and you sacrifice high RoF to res snipe. Asking someone to res you when a sniper is watching the body is stupid, and completely your fault. Snipers are not OP.
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  • Edited by Utsuro Bune: 11/4/2015 5:44:27 AM
    I swear, people will just justify and come up with some shit to make a false point. "It's your fault that over shield is irrelevant, because of their poor design." What sense does that make? I'm pretty sure there's a reason you get overshield and it's not there just for shits and giggles. It's specifically designed to prevent Rez camping, and that design is incompetent. It's not the player's fault there is something wrong with the mechanic. By your logic, it's my fault to stay in a game, with someone abusing the most cheeky glitches in the game. High damage falloff on a sniper? I'm sorry, but that's just a straight up lie. Snipers don't reach falloff on ANY map in the game, and if they do, it's not significant, and no maps support it, because most are medium, to small. Finally, it doesn't make sense to make that argument "Snipers don't have sway, because they are 1 shot headshot". First, the head hit boxes are ginormous and allow for some ridiculous drag scopes, not to mention that without sway, the game becomes a point and click adventure for choke points and long distances.

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  • [spoiler]Ok, first of all, I never said the overshield is irrelevant, I said that it's not only meant for surviving snipers. It's meant to reduce damage from any gun that kills you, but heavy and sniper headshots still are meant to kill no matter what. Damage falloff is there, my shots sometimes that are normally 417, go to 392 at long range. But please, explain why there should be a lot of damage falloff on the gun that's meant to have [b]most range[/b] [u]in the game[/u]? And it does make sense. Games that have sniper sway have snipers a 1 shot kill from the waist up. Please, tell me about how snipers shouldn't become points for long range?

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  • Edited by Utsuro Bune: 11/4/2015 6:33:18 AM
    It makes no sense that overshield is meant to reduce damage, yet there are still weapons that can completely negate its purpose. That's my point. It makes overshields irrelevant, you also contradict yourself by saying only snipers and heavy are to kill a Rez, after you just said that other weapons can do the same thing. Also, saying sway on the gun is based on its damage or TTK is ignorant. There are plenty of games that have sway and only 1 shot headshot. BF3 ,BF4 Combat Arms, hell, even TLOU Multiplayer. Sway is meant to keep players at a DISTANCE and pacing shots, rather than going in and camping spawns while strafing left and right staying pin point accurate on a tiny dot. It keeps the gun in the play style it's meant to be played in. It's as simple as that. YOU yourself said that snipers have damage falloff. Not me. Get that straight before you contradict yourself again.

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  • You're misinterpreting everything I say. Overshields aremeant to reduce [b][i][u]some[/u][/i][/b] damage, but some weapons do more damage than the shield can protect. And stop comparing Destiny to other games that have sniper sway, Destiny isn't those games. Tell you what, if you want sway added, then you're gonna get one shot torso shots too. Yes, I did say damage falloff, because there was some, and you wanted more taken away. From the gun meant to have the longest kill distance and range. My god it hurts to argue with you I'm losing brain cells. I'm not taking you seriously and just gonna assume you're mad about shot package being removed from shotguns.

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  • "I'm just gonna assume you're made about shot package being removed from shotguns." How did that assumption make any relevant sense? So you're saying that I was mad about a well deserved nerf, when I used one of the shotguns jokingly in my arguments, saying it was a sniper? Yeah, now you're just going in circles and using logical fallacies because someone doesn't agree with you. Sorry, but that's what a toddler does. Anyway, whether you meant overshields should only reduce Damage to some weapons, or not, the point still stands. It shouldn't be that way, because specials are commonly used in PvP because of the drop rate and perks, therefore it still makes the reduced damage irrelevant, because you can still Rez snipe. It's not that the weapon is suppose to [b]break a mechanic put in place to counter Rez camping[/b], it's just that the weapon itself has too much impact, just like shotguns have too much impact and range. It's a version of a weapon that shouldn't exists, and can be easily abused. If your team has weapons of light, you can always one shot body shot with these ridiculous high impact snipers. It's not just Rez sniping. It has many other problems. Also, comparing one game to another is common, especially if they are of the same [b]genre[/b] and have the same gun types with similar game mode and similar mechanics. Comparing them is a form of evidence, and just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's evidence or worth considering, while you sit here and pull out reason there should be no sway out of your ass. So yeah, sway is still a problem. My point still stands and it should be looked into. Another logical fallacy. No, I never said anything about damage falloff in my argument. I've clearly stated [b][i][u]no bullet drop off, or velocity limitations[/u][/i][/b] meaning, the bullet is just a Lazer, which allows you to do the same thing up close, from a mile away. That had nothing to do with the damage at all. Like I had, using logical fallacies to prove your point. Now it's assumptions too? Please, I've said my peace and you've just been too persistent and stubborn for your own good and couldn't accept a differing opinion, now "your head hurts". Good day. This was a waste of time and I'll stop replying now.

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  • Snipers are supposed to have that high of impact, and you don't seem to understand that. If a person with a revive shield is shot at with a primary, they'll still kill you if they shoot back. However, some type of snipers like the 1000 Yard Stare can overpenetrate the overshield, and kill. Many snipers can't, you have to have a low RoF and High Impact to do that. These snipers have been around since TDB, and they obviously haven't been a problem to Bungie, they keep adding them. Now that shotguns are getting a well deserved nerf, and fusion rifles aren't viable, people are switching to sniping, and it pisses you off when you get res sniped. I apologize for assuming you were salty about shot package being removed, but you have +12k kills with a shotgun, and a conspiracy theory equipped, so one can only assume.

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