Well, but that isn't Destiny at all. If you don't want Destiny to be Destiny, than maybe it was the wrong game for you? It's a shame that this games changed to shit because of people like you. Vanilla Destiny 1 PvP was COMPLETELY different from what D2 is now...it was awesome. Just a shame...

I ruined the game? I never said nerf super cooldowns in the first place. So cool your jets. If youre that upset you cant use supers 3 times a match and use them and grenades as a crutch to get half your kills then maybe a shooter isnt the right genre for you and you need to grow some thumbs. If you wanna manage cooldowns instead of shooting people go play a real MMO. This isnt WoW or ESO. A game with gunplay this polished should be primarily about the gunplay. And the devs know that. Thats why the changes are here. Not because of me or anyone else like me.

Destiny was about fun and being epic, not gunskill or mlg bullshit. It wasn't a standard shooter and that was a good thing. It was different. That's why it became so popular. Now? A watered down Halo wannabe, still with crappy technical standards. What's the point of being a Superhero when you cannot even use your superhero abilities. Now teamshooting is the meta and I feel as weak in PvE as never before...as awful as it can be. The game was great despite its flaws but it got destroyed because of people like you that wanted a different game.

Jesus. I never said anything was wrong with D1. Im just agreeing with the changes that the devs thought necessary. If you wanna play D1, go play D1. Me personally i dont like buying a game twice. Changes in a new title are good. I dont want a better looking version of the same game. You can say Destiny has never been about gunplay if you want. You have every right to be completely wrong. If supers were the major draw to Destiny for you then you missed a lot of the game. If thats your thing, fine. You do you bro beans. But to stand back and say this is a game all about abilities and cooldowns like its Paragon or Smite is just dumb.

You just read what you want, right? I never said that it's all about Supers or Abilities. In fact I have 50% primary kills because I love primary gunfights and in fact back in Vanilla there were actually awesome primaries so there wasn't any need to rely on cheap stickies or Icebreakers or supers to get kills. But those superhero abilities made this game special. Just compare Vanilla D1 PvP to the one of D2. Two completely different games. Is it really a good thing to change everything that made the first game awesome? It all went down when Bungle decided to force the game o be mlg material...which it will never be. It all went down with Trials and every roundhousekick patch made it worse. When I played it the first week I neber would've thought that it'll be changed to what it is now. No, I don't want the same game. I just want that Destiny feeling back. But what we'll get is another stipped down version of that we have now. Next time they could simply remove supers, powerweapons and abilities altogether...it wouldn't change that much anymore.

Vanilla D1 pvp led to what D1 pvp is now. Terrible. Just ability spam. Weapons were incredibly overpowered leading to nerf after nerf and that's why sidearms stickies and icebreaker are the meta.

[quote]I ruined the game? I never said nerf super cooldowns in the first place. So cool your jets. If youre that upset you cant use supers 3 times a match and use them and grenades as a crutch to get half your kills then maybe a shooter isnt the right genre for you and you need to grow some thumbs. If you wanna manage cooldowns instead of shooting people go play a real MMO. This isnt WoW or ESO. A game with gunplay this polished should be primarily about the gunplay. And the devs know that. Thats why the changes are here. Not because of me or anyone else like me.[/quote] Savage af 😂 but totally agree with you. While i can see that some of the "fun" element has been lost, we should remember its a shooter game. I can't tell you how many times we lost a game this weekend in trials to people abusing double lightning grenades

Double lightning grenades are still a thing in D2

Reality no one gives a crap about Trials other then hard core PVP fanatics and streamers who turned Trials a cash grab. Destiny always had a higher population on PVE and players dedicated more time on PVE activities . Just because PVP players were bitchy and Bungie chooe to cater their desire doesn't mean they are in control. With the current direction Destiny will flop in couple months if they won't change a lot of things they nerfed within D2. Because PVE community will not continue to play and PVP community is not enough to carry this game. This is simple reality my friend.

[quote]Reality no one gives a crap about Trials other then hard core PVP fanatics and streamers who turned Trials a cash grab. Destiny always had a higher population on PVE and players dedicated more time on PVE activities . Just because PVP players were bitchy and Bungie chooe to cater their desire doesn't mean they are in control. With the current direction Destiny will flop in couple months if they won't change a lot of things they nerfed within D2. Because PVE community will not continue to play and PVP community is not enough to carry this game. This is simple reality my friend.[/quote] No, the "simple reality" is in the tag line... Welcome to a world without light. The entire basis of destiny 2 is to fight against an enemy without your abilities cuz they been taken off you/weakened. To ever think that spamming nades every 4 seconds and popping supers every minute in destiny 2 was gonna be a thing, is straight up moronic. Tbh, i think for every ability spammer who walks away, a genuine fps player who was put off by destinys over the top focus on abilities will come back. Which ultimately is better for the community cuz there'll be less kids who get upset when they're shot in a shooter game. As for catering to pvp players desire, yes they did. Because pve doesnt need touching. Speed running through kingsfall raids at 335 light with WoL bubble and ToM/BS was all that happened so what did it matter to you guys if doctrine got nerfed. When the PvP players got up in arms about clever dragon with high cal being virtually unstoppable, what point was there in asking the pve community seeing as the only weapon you'd use is outbreak prime or chaos dogma?

If that is the route Destiny 2 will take , this game will die in less then 3 months.

[quote]If that is the route Destiny 2 will take , this game will die in less then 3 months.[/quote] Theres no if. It is. Its decided. The story is set. There is no light... If thats your opinion then Destiny aint the game for you. Theres the door...

You get everything wrong about Destiny 2 . Ghaul takes your light . however next story you'll go take your light back. And if you are looking for proof ? The grenades - supers you are using in PVP are all results of that light you get back :) The story of D2 is not about loosing our lights , it is about Aliens invading our home and destroying our homes. Light is a smal thing within the big picture. But it is perfectly normal for a PVP centric dude to understand things wrong as your only worry is your K/D LOL

[quote]You get everything wrong about Destiny 2 . Ghaul takes your light . however next story you'll go take your light back. And if you are looking for proof ? The grenades - supers you are using in PVP are all results of that light you get back :) The story of D2 is not about loosing our lights , it is about Aliens invading our home and destroying our homes. Light is a smal thing within the big picture. But it is perfectly normal for a PVP centric dude to understand things wrong as your only worry is your K/D LOL[/quote] Bless. Yeah literally next mission you get light back completely and gary goes home and thats story over. Mug. Getting your light back will be later in the story. They've already said the majority of the story is about trying to rebuild the vanguard to fight back against gary. Gonna be a fair few missions before that happens. Funny thing is i feel like I've got the best deal from destiny. While we both enjoyed destiny 1, i enjoyed shooting things and having abilities but you just enjoyed the abilities. Now the abilities have gone, i still enjoy it cuz i actually have thumbskill. But you can't give out grenades as if they grow on trees anymore so suddenly destiny 2 sucks in your opinion. Reality check dude, the game doesnt suck... you do

LOOL It is clear you have no idea about the game you've been playing and sorry but i am not teacher to teach you Destiny - Light etc.. Enjoy :)