[quote]For me, it isn't about chasing some loot, it is about having fun and playing with friends. When I play, I'm rarely playing alone. Even if I'm in an activity solo I'm usually in a chat with some friends I met on Destiny joking around and having a great time. I get that I don't need Destiny for that, but Destiny is what brought us together in the first place. If you don't enjoy the game for what it has for replay value that is fine, but don't think there aren't quite a few of us that just enjoy playing the game.[/quote] You and I are a lot alike in that we both play to have something to play with friends. The difference is that me and my group of friends TRULY enjoyed chasing down elite-tier gear and godrolls in PVE, and using that gear in PVP. We cared less about the game being ultra-balanced and competitive because we accepted that in a lootgrinder, your loot is going to influence outcomes to some degree. We still had fun. And when the game removed our reasons for playing THIS game, we moved on to other group-oriented games like Warframe and ESO. Destiny has shown my group that it wasn't the game we enjoyed so much as the people we enjoyed the game with. And we don't NEED Destiny for that. We would ALL love Destiny to be that game though, believe me. But its not going to be that game unless it returns to basics and Bungie accepts/recognizes our reasons and motivations for playing the game. As for you playing D1's PVP and never getting bored, its incomparable to D2's PVP. In D1, you were powerful enough to have those highlight, splash moments, even if you were a committed casual. You always had guns to chase after if you wanted to play the meta. And you may like your current guns, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't want a gun with a different roll just to try out. NONE of that will come into play in D2. It's going to be all teamshotting, all the time. It's going to be using guns that have mediocre rolls by design - no god rolls. And no taking chances because you will be punished more harshly for it. As a DIEHARD Halo fan, I can tell you that that kind of gameplay can only take you so far before the only people left playing the game are committed/sponsored MLG players or nostalgic fans who log on every great while to play a few matches. And the rest of the players move on.