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originally posted in:Secular Sevens
9/16/2013 1:02:48 AM
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Raven speaks in spoilers until we can get his situation fixed.
[spoiler]yes, science exists as a way for us to understand and describe Gods universe. The more science the more awesome we realize God is.[/spoiler]
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Actually, the more we learn about our universe, the more we realize God is unnecessary, or doesn't exist at all.
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The more we learn, the more we realize how much order and a lack of randomness is present in things. Order doesn't generate from randomness.
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Edited by Seggi: 9/17/2013 3:30:34 AM[quote]Order doesn't generate from randomness.[/quote] It actually often does. For example, a bunch of particles in a box will move about randomly and could really be found in any possible location in that box, even confined to a single corner of it, but the fact that they all move more or less randomly means they'll be distributed fairly evenly throughout. In fact, this randomness is so consistent (and ordered) that we actually refer to its product as a law of thermodynamics.
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Lol only if the box is being moved or something is agitating the box. There must be force in order to create movement. I think we may be talking about different types of order also.
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Edited by Seggi: 9/17/2013 4:03:35 AMlolno, particles move around by themselves. All you'd need for the particles to be moving is for the box not to be at absolute zero. [quote]I think we may be talking about different types of order also.[/quote] Yeah, I figured you were talking about something unquantifiable. It's much easier to defend a position when you can change it at whim.
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When I talk about order I talk about actual order. Not sorting and organizing dust particles, rubber bands, or gravel. I'm talking about the pattern in a sunflowers seeds, the way birds migrate to to the same place every winter, the way a spider makes its web or how snowflakes always have six points. Order that is so fantastic. in the nature around us. I fail to see how that could have been a result of a random process.
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[quote]I fail to see how that could have been a result of a random process.[/quote] That's a failure of your own, not a failure of the entirely natural explanations of those things. This is the same old god-of-the-gaps bullshit, and you look ridiculous when you espouse it.
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Ok? You're not even willing to explain yourself. You just revert back to insults when you have nothing to say. Typical atheist. And by "failing to see" I mean "bro do you even logic?"
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What do you require an explanation of? The fact that birds have internal magnets? Or the structure of ice? You could find any of that out within five minutes on wikipedia, so I'm struggling to see what you expect other than mockery when you say "Oh, everything's just so pretty isn't god amazing". Everything's not pretty and everything's not ordered - children die because genetic mutation isn't dictated by anybody, or because they 'randomly' happen to get leukaemia. Birds fall from the sky en masse because their ecosystem gets disrupted by some minor thing. Global warming kills coral and displaces millions. For every perfectly symmetrical snowflake there are a thousand that aren't. Everything doesn't appear 'ordered' - you just think it does because of your own confirmation bias.
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What I'm wondering is the creation of everything. I want to know how everything on earth became this ordered. You say it's not ordered but I can tell you that it definitely is not disordered. I think we can agree it can be a lot worse. True I'm biased but so are you it sounds like. Of course our opinions will be different and I don't see why we need to start insulting each other for it. If you don't want to talk fun that all you have to say. I'm tired anyway.
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[quote]What I'm wondering is the creation of everything. I want to know how everything on earth became this ordered.[/quote] Natural selection, for one.
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How does natural selection select things for inanimate objects? i just have so many questions.
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What are you talking about?
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Nvm I can't discuss anything right now. Sorry I have to go.
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Like plants? Plants that don't have leaves to absorb enough sun or roots to gather enough water will not survive.
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You'd be surprised how wrong that is. Everything in our universe is a product of randomness.
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Not true. If that were then wouldn't it be easier for the random universe to form a bottle of paint, never mind the painting. Much greater things have been created but if everything is a product of randomness, why don't we see random things?
